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Doctor Who Theory – Was “The Moment” in Day of the Doctor Actually Bad Wolf?

Doctor Who Theory – Was “The Moment” in Day of the Doctor Actually Bad Wolf?

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THE DOCTOR WHO THEORY

Perhaps I built up the 50th anniversary way too much in my head, so much so that that there was sure to be some form of disappointment. Overall though, I still liked the episode even if I didn’t overwhelmingly adore it (it didn’t help that I despised almost everything about Queen Elizabeth and the whole Zygon plot). One aspect of the special that surprised me was that Billie Piper did not return as Rose Tyler but rather as the conscience of “the Moment” (the device that would destroy the Time Lords) who appeared in Bad Wolf/Rose Tyler form.

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At first I didn’t love it because I thought the surprise was a little underwhelming. On a second watch (in which I skipped Queen Elizabeth scenes), the episode improved immensely, particularly the story surrounding the three Doctors and the Moment. And upon re-watch (the third time through), I realized something incredible: what if “the moment” was in fact ‘actually’ Bad Wolf?

THIS TIME AROUND

Throughout the entire special, there are clues dispersed here and there, like little easter eggs suggesting one very probable interpretation of the Moment being Bad Wolf and in a way ALSO ‘the moment.’ Let me break it down with evidence because what is a thesis without examples to back it up, right?

The 3 Doctors ready to push the button together.

The 3 Doctors ready to push the button together.

One of the most telling scenes is when Clara, Ten and Eleven show up to support Hurt’s Doctor when he is about to destroy Gallifrey. Pay attention to the dialogue:


WAR DOCTOR: Go back. Go back to your lives. Go and be the Doctor that I could never be. Make it worthwhile.

DOCTOR 10: All those years, burying you in my memory.

DOCTOR 11: Pretending you didn’t exist. Keeping you a secret, even from myself.

DOCTOR 10: Pretending you weren’t the Doctor, when you were the Doctor more than anybody else.

DOCTOR 11: You were the Doctor on the day it wasn’t possible to get it right.

DOCTOR 10: But this time

DOCTOR 11: You don’t have to do it alone.

(They put their hands on the button together).


“THIS TIME” infers that this isn’t what always happened. The first time around, the Doctor really DID destroy all of the Time Lords, but now something has made it possible to change and rewrite time (a theme Moffat is a HUGE fan of). And furthermore, the words ‘this time’ are repeated once more when the Doctors alter their plan:


CLARA: What? What don’t they know?

DOCTOR 11: This time, there’s three of us.


“This time,” says everything. Clearly the Ninth Doctor remembers destroying the Time Lords back in Series One. Recall the dialogue from the episode “Dalek” in which Nine owns what he did completely (no hidden doctor in his mind yet):

dalek

The 9th Doctor speaking to the Dalek in “Dalek.”

 


Dalek: I demand orders!

The Doctor: They’re never gonna come! Your race is dead. You all burned—all of you. Ten million ships on fire. The entire Dalek race, wiped out in one second.

Dalek: You lie!

The Doctor: I watched it happen. I made it happen.

Dalek: You destroyed us?

The Doctor: I had no choice.

Dalek: And what of the Time Lords?

The Doctor: Dead. They burned with you. The end of the last great Time War. Everyone lost.


dalek-2Personally, I find the 9th Doctor’s characterization in this episode to be absolutely brilliant because he is so conscious of the dark choice he made and is facing the consequences of living as the last of the Time Lords. He doesn’t run from what he did but rather accepts it. The Doctor watched his planet burn. This is canon. If the Doctor didn’t remember wouldn’t he have said something like this instead: “I think I made it happen somehow even though I can’t remember exactly how?” In its place, the 9th Doctor spoke with authority and complete knowledge/awareness of his actions.

THE MOMENT AS BAD WOLF

FURTHERMORE, if indeed the Doctors are rewriting their own timeline then, how was it possible? If “the Moment” was always there, wouldn’t the Doctor have found a way to save Gallifrey the first time around? So what is different? What would have this kind of power? Think of the first time “The Moment” is described in “The Day of the Doctor.”


According to legend, it developed a conscience.

GENERAL: The Moment is gone.

ANDROGAR: I don’t understand. What is the Moment? I’ve never heard of it.

GENERAL: The galaxy eater. The final work of the ancients of Gallifrey. A weapon so powerful, the operating system became sentient. According to legend, it developed a conscience.

ANDROGAR: And we’ve never used it.

GENERAL: How do you use a weapon of ultimate mass destruction when it can stand in judgment on you? There is only one man who would even try.


Rose Tyler appears as Bad Wolf in "The Parting of the Ways."

Rose Tyler appears as Bad Wolf in “The Parting of the Ways.”

But what if The Moment is more than just sentient? Bad Wolf of course saw everything that could be in “The Parting of the Ways!” Wouldn’t she be able to find a way for the Doctor to save his people in the process? What is interesting about the idea of Bad Wolf being the Moment is that there is a legend surrounding it. NO ONE actually knows the truth behind the Moment. It is myth. Couldn’t have something omniscient (Bad Wolf) have created a myth spread throughout time and space among the Time Lords? Bad Wolf has certainly done this kind of thing in the past. And again, I reiterate that if the Moment was omniscient, how could the 9th Doctor have watched Gallifrey burn the first time around (unless of course time was rewritten)? Further consider another part of the special:


WAR DOCTOR: She didn’t just show me any old future; she showed me exactly the future I needed to see.

MOMENT: Now you’re getting it [so ‘the moment’ had a plan the whole time].

DOCTOR: Eh? Who did?

WAR DOCTOR: Oh, Bad Wolf girl, I could kiss you!

MOMENT: Yeah, that’s going to happen [technically will kiss him in this Doctor’s future and this DOES also sound more Rose like to be honest].


Bad Wolf showed the Doctor just the thing he needed to see to alter the literal moment in time that darkened his entire existence. Very Rose and very Bad Wolf if you ask me! Let’s go back to Bad Wolf in “The Parting of the Ways”:

Bad Wolf defeating the Daleks and 'ending' The Time War.

Bad Wolf defeating the Daleks and ‘ending’ The Time War.


ROSE: I am the Bad Wolf. I create myself. I take the words, I scatter them in time and space. A message to lead myself here.

The DOCTOR: Rose, you’ve got to stop this! You’ve got to stop this now! You’ve got the entire vortex running through your head. You’re gonna burn.

ROSE: I want you safe. My Doctor. Protected from the false god.

DALEK EMPEROR: You can not hurt me. I am immortal.

ROSE: You are tiny. I can see the whole of time and space. Every single atom of your existence. And I divide them. Everything must come to death. All things. Everything dies. The Time War ends.

ROSE: I can see everything. All that is, all that was, all that ever could be.


Isn’t it conceivable that THIS was the moment that allowed time to be rewritten?

Bad Wolf could see every possibility. Isn’t it conceivable that THIS was the moment that allowed time to be rewritten? This was the moment that Bad Wolf gave THE MOMENT a conscience, or in fact actually a part of herself with Bad Wolf’s power? She could see how the Time War actually ends if she brought the right Doctors together. Take a look at some more dialogue from the special:


DOCTOR 10: These events should be time-locked. We shouldn’t even be here.

DOCTOR 11: So something let us through.


MOMENT: You clever boys.

MOMENT: You clever boys.

Did they almost figure it out that this was actually Bad Wolf that let them through the time lock? It is particularly interesting that the Moment chose to not reveal herself to Ten and Eleven, the two Doctors that actually know her. Would they have discovered the truth, that Bad Wolf was actually the one bringing everyone together and helping them rewrite time?

The Moment shushes the War Doctor after 10 tried to figure out why they were all together.

The Moment shushes the War Doctor after 10 tried to figure out why they were all together.

THE MOMENT’S BEGINNINGS

Okay, so let’s move past the rewriting timeline part of my interpretation. What else is there? Consider the Moment’s first scene:


WARRIOR: Hello? Is somebody there?

MOMENT: It’s nothing.

(Rose Tyler – or so we assume-sits on the device.)

MOMENT: It’s just a wolf.


The first thing she does is say she is the wolf. We can all just assume The Moment is being facetious but perhaps there is more than meets the eye?  Later on in this same scene, it almost even seems as if Bad Wolf is revealed to the audience but not to the Doctor:


WAR DOCTOR: Who are you?

(The clock box makes a noise.)

WAR DOCTOR: It’s activating. Get out of here.

(He tries to touch the box)


Bad Wolf’s eyes glow and make it hot. She does this while the WAR Doctor isn’t looking so the Moment either has the powers of Bad Wolf in the form or this IS Bad Wolf. Photo: BBC

Bad Wolf’s eyes glow and make it hot. She does this while the WAR Doctor isn’t looking so the Moment either has the powers of Bad Wolf in the form or this IS Bad Wolf.


WAR DOCTOR: Ow!

MOMENT: What’s wrong?

WAR DOCTOR: The interface is hot.

MOMENT: Well, I do my best.


The Moment does claim to be the conscience but so what? Does every character tell the truth? And again, I reiterate the Moment’s need for secrecy. Furthermore, the Moment is rather flirty for JUST a conscience. On re-watch, this is the scene that really convinced me the Moment was Bad Wolf…at least in some way.

What if in fact the character is both The Moment AND Bad Wolf?  Doesn’t it make sense for Bad Wolf to have created this Moment purposely for the man who needed it? The Moment describes herself even more in this scene:


WAR DOCTOR: There’s a power source inside. (pause) You’re the interface?

MOMENT: They must have told you the Moment had a conscience. Hello! Oh, look at you. Stuck between a girl and a box. Story of your life, eh, Doctor?

WAR DOCTOR: You know me?

MOMENT: I hear you. All of you, jangling around in that dusty old head of yours. I chose this face and form especially for you. It’s from your past. Or possibly your future. I always get those two mixed up.

WAR DOCTOR: I don’t have a future.

MOMENT: I think I’m called Rose Tyler. No. Yes. No, sorry, no, no, in this form, I’m called Bad Wolf. Are you afraid of the big bad wolf, Doctor?

Her eyes glow with Bad Wolf powers.

Her eyes glow with Bad Wolf powers.


The Moment certainly knows everything about the Doctor (including his future such as when she tells him that one horrible day he will count how many children died on Gallifrey). One particularly head scratching line by The Moment said: “stuck between a girl and a box.” The line is kind of cheeky and a little bit of a Rose like dig. She claims she chose this form for the Doctor but I think it makes more sense if it was Bad Wolf choosing her own form.

Look at Rose's hand.

Look at Rose’s hand.

Still, there is something about The Moment’s apparel that strikes me as odd. IF The Moment chose the form of Bad Wolf then why isn’t she wearing the clothing from “The Parting of the Ways?” Not only that, she is also sporting a ring on her finger. The way she speaks at first is jumbled and reminds me of The Tardis in “The Doctor’s Wife,” as if she actually is still making sense of whom and where she is. That would make sense if Bad Wolf strategically hid a part of herself inside this contraption; a split off of her soul hidden inside the box like Voldemort inside the journal. And the clothes and ring make sense too if you consider that Bad Wolf (in her own confusion) went too far into Rose’s future, wearing clothes unrecognizable to us (maybe war torn in the parallel universe) including the ring on her wedding/engagement finger (married to the human Doctor probably). In other words, a split off of Rose/Bad Wolf’s soul was placed by Bad Wolf inside the contraption to change history. And when opened she needed to take on a physical form. Trying to find the right image, she went too far into Rose’s future (because the Moment has Bad Wolf powers) which is why the “Moment” looks as she does. And what if this split off of Bad Wolf (again, think Voldemort and his split souls), now has the feelings and memories of this future Rose who is likely married to the human Doctor?

Finally, one last aspect of this conversation I want to discuss is the line: “I always get those two mixed up.” Has the Moment done this before? According to the Time Lords, the Doctor is the only one crazy enough to converse with it. However, this line does make sense coherently if this is actually Bad Wolf speaking. She, with all her omniscient power, gets confused sometimes because she has been in the past and the future spreading messages across time and space. She is perhaps one part of Bad Wolf’s soul sent to the Doctor’s past AND future here to change time and save the Doctor from himself.

BEING BOTH THE MOMENT AND BAD WOLF

I keep bringing up that Bad Wolf can be Bad Wolf and The Moment but that just seems kind of confusing. How can she be both? Shouldn’t she just be one or the other and shouldn’t I just go with the obvious conclusion that The Moment is just The Moment? Well, I never like to think straightforwardly and for that matter neither does The Moment. Going back to her introduction, consider the double meaning:


WAR DOCTOR: Don’t sit on that!

MOMENT: Why not?

WAR DOCTOR: Because it’s not a chair, it’s the most dangerous weapon in the universe.

(He pushes her out the barn and closes the door behind her. But there she is, sitting on the box again.)

MOMENT: Why can’t it be both?


Here, The Moment (with a bit of snark) claims the most dangerous weapon can be both a chair and a weapon. She asks him, “why can’t it be both?” Well, the same applies for Bad Wolf. If indeed The Moment created a conscience, who says that it wasn’t Bad Wolf that created that conscience? Like I said before, if the conscience always existed why didn’t this all happen the first time around? Something had to have built up that legend and something had to have given The Moment a conscience. And that is why I find it compelling to consider that THE MOMENT is both a weapon AND Bad Wolf.

THE MOMENT’S PLAN

So if the Moment IS both Bad Wolf and a weapon what is she up to? Why she has a plan of course. The Moment does way more than merely stand in judgment of the Doctor, she also manipulates the situation by choosing just the right moments in time to alter the timeline as I have mentioned earlier in this post. Ten is the most suspicious:


DOCTOR 10: Why are we all together? Why are we all here? Well, me and Chinny, we were surprised, but you came looking for us. You knew it was going to happen. Who told you?

(Moment Rose is holding a finger to her lips.)


Again, the idea of ‘who’ plays a part once more. This remains ambiguous and even mysterious. The Moment can’t allow the other Doctors to discover the truth for some reason, for the part he plays in HER plans. More than bringing everyone together, however, she also tells the Doctor how to do things including the sonic screwdriver: “same software, different case” foreshadowing the use of all the Doctors needed to save Gallifrey, frozen for one moment in time.

Her plan is rather simple: show the Doctor the one thing the three of them needed to see in order to change his mind. She continues to manipulate the situation by showing Clara the horrors of the war, influencing her too into giving a speech. Revealing to Clara all those people they were going to kill convinced Clara to stand up to the Doctor. Bringing the children up earlier just ties it all together in one nice little bow. Her plan is a success for Gallifrey does indeed fall “no more.”

ONE LAST THOUGHT FOR THE FUTURE

The Curator and the 11th Doctor look at the painting.

The Curator and the 11th Doctor look at the painting.

What did it accomplish in bringing the Time Lords back besides their return?

Before I finish this thesis, there is just one more thing I want to bring up. While I don’t think Bad Wolf will return again for the foreseeable future, there is something I noticed, something eerie regarding The Moment’s plan. What did it accomplish in bringing the Time Lords back besides their return? Is there more than meets the eye than just that very thing? Like, for instance, what was the point of Tom Baker’s return as some kind of future Doctor (or simple curator with an older version of the 4th Doctor’s face) revisiting old faces? Does it have anything to do with Peter Capaldi playing the next Doctor, an actor we have already seen before in Torchwood and the Pompeii episode back in series 4? While I don’t have a sounding theory just yet (I’ll write another one if I do), it is interesting to note that both The Moment and The Curator/Future Doctor (?) put their finger on their lips to shush first Hurt’s Doctor and then to hint to the 11th Doctor of Gallifrey being lost. The Curator, like The Moment shared just the specific details needed for the Doctor to move forward as if they had both planned it. Who knows? Maybe they even planned it together…

It should also be noted that one of the Zygons using the appearance of Scarf Girl also put her finger up to her mouth. Let’s take a look at all three:

The Moment shushes the War Doctor after 10 tried to figure out why they were all together.

The Moment shushes the War Doctor after 10 tried to figure out why they were all together.

Zygon Shush

Zygon Shush

The Curator Shush

The Curator Shush

And most intriguing is what Moffat has said himself on the fact that Peter Capaldi’s face has appeared in the Who Universe twice before. And it definitely relates to revisited faces and ideas former showrunner Russell T. Davies had. Moffat told Nerd3 as transcribed on Radio Times:


SM:”I’ll let you in on this. I remember Russell told me he had a big old plan as to why there were two Peter Capaldis in the Who universe, one in Pompeii and one in Torchwood. When I cast Peter, [Russell] got in touch to say how pleased he was, I said ‘Okay, what was your theory and does it still work?’ and he said ‘Yes it does, here it is’. So I don’t know if we’ll get to it… we’ll play that one out over time. It’s actually quite neat.”


Now taking these thoughts from Moffat and Davies and re-watching the end with Tom Baker, it gives the whole ending a possible new interpretation.

DOCTOR: I never forget a face.

CURATOR: I know you don’t. And in years to come, you might find yourself revisiting a few. But just the old favourites, eh?

(The Doctor winks).

Hmmm. Very interesting to say the least.

MOFFAT’S OWN WORDS ABOUT THE MOMENT

I know this post has been quite long but before I end it, I want to close on Steven Moffat’s own words about Billie Piper’s role in the 50th (after it aired of course) that is quite interesting. He says [from bbcamerica.com]:


“I thought the story of Rose, which was beautiful, was done,” he said. “I didn’t want to add to it, and I didn’t feel comfortable adding to it, really. That was always [former Doctor Who showrunner] Russell [T Davies]‘s story. But we did want Billie. And I liked the idea of bringing back the Bad Wolf version. The way Russell ended it in “The End of Time,” by just sort of looping it around, was perfect. I didn’t want to stick another bit of it in. That would be wrong. I just wanted to get Billie Piper, one of the absolute heroes of Doctor Who, back in the show, but without interfering with the story of Rose Tyler. I just thought I might spoil something. I might trip over my bootlaces doing that.”

http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2013/11/doctor-steven-moffat-explains-billie-pipers-role-50th/


So what do you think of this Doctor Who Theory? Was The Moment Actually Bad Wolf? Or at least a part of her? I like to think so…


Photo Credits: BBC

 

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“Because when you are imagining, you might as well imagine something worthwhile,” L.M. Montgomery. In second grade, Autumn wrote her first story, “The Spinach Monster,” and hasn’t stopped writing since. Intrigued by the tales her grandmother told of vampires, witches, and ghosts as a girl, she’s always been drawn to the fantastic. Later, Autumn studied English and Creative Writing (continuing her love for classic literature and everything old-fashioned) and also graduated with an MA in Children’s Literature and an MS in Library & Information Science from Simmons College. Currently, she co-runs this lovely blog and works at The New York Public Library as a YA Librarian.

95 Comments

  1. Christina

    Brilliant!!! I’ve tossed around this theory myself but never constructed it out so beautifully!! I definitely think there is something to this…I’ve also considered Clara’s potential role in Bad Wolf’s decisions and actions. Great read thank you.

    Christina

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    • Silver Petticoat

      Thanks for the kind words. To be honest, Bad Wolf just makes the whole episode make a ton of more sense, including Clara’s actions.

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  2. Sarah

    The Moment/Bad Wolf: “You clever boys.”
    Clara: “Run you clever boy.”

    There is so much that points to Bad Wolf arranging for that leaf to fall and Clara to come into existence. And it’s interesting how Clara was always a nanny in all her forms. Like the Bad Wolf wanted her to love children and be compassionate so that she would influence the Doctor regarding the Time War.

    Thanks for writing all this! I LOVE reading your stuff on Doctor Who! I read all your previous theories leading up to the 50th. I always looked forward to you writing more. 🙂

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    • Silver Petticoat

      You make some great points about Clara and Rose, especially the point about the children (how Clara would be the one companion who couldn’t handle the Time Lord children dying). It really does make perfect sense and there is compelling evidence that suggests Bad Wolf had a part to play with the leaf and everything. It is interesting that Moffat never did reveal who the woman in the shop was.

      And thanks so much! I will definitely continue to do more with Doctor Who, even though the theories take a lot of time to put together.

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      • Deedee Alegre

        can you remind me what woman in the shop?

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        • Michelle Irwin

          In the Bells of Saint John, Clara get’s the “Internet helpline” number (the TARDIS’s phone number) from a woman in a shop.

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          • Silver Petticoat

            It’s interesting that there has been no return to this strange mystery.

          • J. Frazier

            Now there has been a return to the mystery. Peter Capaldi asks Clara that very question at the end of his 1st full episode. Looks like we’ll be looking into that this season before Jenna leaves in December.

    • Kyoya Ootori

      Exactly what I was thinking reading this article!

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  3. Ken Spragg

    Didn’t I read somewhere about one of the Timelords’ major technological creations– the Eye of Harmony, I think– that as soon as they completed building it, it existed retroactively through all of time?

    If that’s a ‘thing’ in the Whoverse, and Rose-as-Bad-Wolf told us in “The Parting of the Ways” that she saw/was everywhere and everywhen;
    and if Rose-as-Bad-Wolf had god-like power over space, time, matter and energy (reminiscent of how The Moment’s power was described);
    then maybe The Moment *is* Bad Wolf. Just because Rose stopped being the Bad Wolf when the Doctor removed the time vortex from her mind, doesn’t necessarily mean the Bad Wolf ceased to exist. Being ‘bigger’ than just one human girl, why couldn’t it chose to manifest as something else, in some other place and time?

    So maybe, after Rose stopped being the Bad Wolf, it remained in some independent form, existing retroactively through all of time, adopting (in one case) this avatar of “The Moment” out of the blue in Gallifrey’s weapons vault. The fact that they didn’t seem to understand it all that well could be because they didn’t build it so much as found it (or it found them), and the consciousness/conscience that they thought it ‘developed’ could rather have just taken a while to ’emerge’ out of the confusion of being disembodied across the whole of spacetime.

    It actually reminds me a bit of the Phoenix-force from Marvel comics, when considered that way.

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    • Silver Petticoat

      Excellent points of discussion! Thank you. 🙂 I may point them out in a second post about this theory.

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    • Hans

      Bad Wolf also always makes me think of the Phoenix!

      An extra something that supports this again: the way at the end of ‘Turn Left’ all of the street banners say ‘Bad Wolf’.

      This was not Bad Wolf leaving a message for Rose to lead her to Sattelite Five, since Rose is not there. This can only be Bad Wolf continuing to (re)write other moments in history, independant of events relating to the Ninth Doctor’s death.

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    • Gadgeteer

      You’re thinking sooo 3 dimensionally! When you start looking at it 4th dimensionally there is no retro-active, there is no stopping, there is no starting…. There is only… IS.

      Rose never quit being Rose-as-Bad-Wolf(RBW) Once Rose became RBW she was RBW for all of eternity, just as she scattered her message “Bad-Wolf” across time and space, she also scattered herself. In subjective time, in that one episode, we saw her as RBW for all of 10 minutes? But that was only the “part of time (and space)” we saw, what of the rest of eternity?

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  4. Brooke

    Something no one else has seemed to notice is that at the end when all doctors are in the space barn talking, Bad Wolf/The Moment looks up at 10 and follows him with her eyes looking sad. It adds to you’re theory of it being Bad Wolf cause why would the moment look longingly at 10? The Bad Wolf however would love him and know that she can’t interact with him. Just a thought

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    • Brooke

      Just wanted to correct, it’s in the Tower of London she gives him the look

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      • Rachael

        oh wow, you’re totally right! I forgot about that moment, but it definitely adds to the viability of the theory that the Moment and Bad Wolf are the same being.

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    • Silver Petticoat

      Yes it is a great point! Thank you for bringing it up. I did notice it, but didn’t get around to adding it. I should show it in a second post or add it to this one as further evidence for anyone who didn’t see that quick shot of Rose looking at the Tenth Doctor. It’s a great moment and there’s really no purpose for it unless it really is Bad Wolf who also loves the Doctor.

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  5. Larissa Pinheiro

    When I first watched the 50th anniversary I remembered instantly that speech of Rose when she was in her Bad Wolf form “You are tiny. I can see the whole of time and space. Every single atom of your existence. And I divide them. Everything must come to death. All things. Everything dies. The Time War ends.”
    And well, since then I can’t take off my mind the idea of The Moment being the Bad Wolf.
    For me, The Moment is the Bad Wolf. And she did everything for protect her Doctor. 🙂

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    • Silver Petticoat

      Definitely agree! It just makes perfect sense to me.

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    • Lexavian

      “Everything must come to death”

      Except the Doctor

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      • Rala Azron

        Tick tock goes the clock even for the Doctor

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          • Rala Azron

            Well he will die someday. He’s not invincible. Sorry to break it to ya ;P btw Love your name and picture.

          • Lexavian

            I think the Christmas Special made it especially clear that the BBC will heretofore stop at nothing to keep milking this cash cow for as long as they can regardless of how terrible it becomes as a result, or how far into the ground they run this poor, once-great show

            But I appreciate the compliment, thank you =)

          • Rala Azron

            Oh yes of course they will make it go on for as long as possible but eventually it will have to come to an end. Not in the near future of course but every show ends eventually.

  6. Lexavian

    This seems like a lot of mental gymnastics just to justify all of the dumb, uninteresting & occasionally outright terrible decisions Moffat made during his run on the show

    Of course when I say “terrible” I obviously mean things like the hand-waving-away of the destruction of the Time Lords

    edit: or the addition of another Regeneration into the line that he then retroactively calls the “War Doctor” because he wants to drastically alter canon but doesn’t

    edit: or the addition of an entire new cycle of regenerations, because he doesn’t seem to understand how one of the huge reasons the last five decades of the show were so compelling was the fact that the twelve-regeneration limit was always hanging over the Doctor’s head

    edit: Moffat sucks

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    • smcelph

      In the end of time when rassillon is sitting around plotting with the other high council members they mention that the doctor has the moment. Has anyone else noticed that?

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    • Maryam

      Well, we can’t have the show ending now, and he still has that limit now…if you start out with $13 and end up with $0, then someone gives you $13, you still have a limit to worry about…No matter who would have written the episode, they’d have to create a reason for the Doctor to keep regenerating. They decided to give him a new cycle instead of playing the ‘oh but this is the LAST regeneration!’ card fifty times over by giving him one extra chance at a time…I’m not saying I love all of Moffat’s stories on Doctor Who but the generations part makes sense to me.

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    • Silver Petticoat

      I do hear you as while I don’t dislike Moffat’s work as many do (though I find much problematic), I don’t love it much as RTD’s writing. I had a similar reaction at first because the special doesn’t address why the the girl in the prequel with the 8th Doctor hated the Time Lords so much that she was willing to kill herself rather than be saved by one. The Time Lords were no saints but the special itself doesn’t delve into the complexities of this issue, rather it focuses on them as complete victims, particularly by showing clips of children. I didn’t see anyone evil as we saw in David Tennant’s regeneration episode. Showing both sides instead of bringing in the weak Zygon plot would have strengthened the episode because Moffat could have written thematically about the Doctor and the Time Lords gaining redemption with the rewriting of time and their CHOICE to make a different choice.

      Still, on re-watch I did like it much more like I said in my post. I liked the story with The Moment and the interactions between the three doctors. With Bad Wolf as the Moment, the episode ties in much better to the earlier seasons.

      I also totally get where you are coming from about changing canon, something it seems he did so he could play with the regeneration cycle earlier rather than later. I actually did not like the Christmas special much. You can read my review. Overall though, I really liked John Hurt as the War Doctor, though it doesn’t make sense for him to never be called the Doctor because of his choice. Ten decided to kill them again and still considered himself the Doctor…

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      • Lexavian

        Of course you liked John Hurt as the War Doctor, it’s perfect.

        The problem is that Moffat was either too lazy or too inept a showrunner to come up with a more creative solution to Eccleston’s absence than “Well we’ll just put a new incarnation in there & say he’s always been.”

        I’m gonna say that The Day of the Doctor was about as good as I’d expect a mid-season episode to be. A really nice surprise would be, for example, The Doctor’s Wife, which sort of comes out of nowhere and shines with all of these little references & reestablishing ties to old canon and what have you. It’s brilliant, while this one is just okay to pretty good.

        But if you’re doing a year-long celebration of a 50 year-old show, you gotta do better than Name/Day/Time. It’s hokey, cheesy & not very well thought-out or clever to the point where it feels more like a big-budget version of The Sarah Jane Adventures.

        Better ways to celebrate the 50th:

        –The Eleventh Doctor finally confronts the Valeyard, only to realize in horror in his last moment that he’s regenerating into the Valeyard (the Twelfth Doctor’s run then does the heavy lifting of re-contextualizing all of the Valeyard’s evil actions as necessary & noble, after which the Thirteenth Doctor strives to put right everything the Twelfth did and atone for his sins before dying)

        –The Eleventh Doctor dies at the end of The Rings of Akhaten and regenerates into the Twelfth Doctor, so by The Day of the Doctor, you have Ten, Eleven and Twelve working together to stop the Eighth Doctor from committing the atrocity & rewriting history.

        –The Doctor steps into his own timeline at the end of The Name of the Doctor and discovers that he is indeed The Other, as he is torn apart & reconstructed at the beginning of the rise of Time Lord civilization

        I could go on but I feel like you get my point

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  7. Jonathon McCorkill

    sorry but I had to weigh in here. But I seem to see that there are a few points that were missed or skipped over.

    1. At the end where all the doctors are in the art gallery
    WARRIOR: I won’t remember this, will I?
    DOCTOR: The time streams are out of sync. You can’t retain it, no.
    WARRIOR: So I won’t remember that I tried to save Gallifrey rather than burn it. I’ll have to live with that.

    so until the day of the doctor he thinks that he killed them all.

    2. On the Subject of Bad wolf/Rose Tyler/The moment.

    In the episode of the end of time part 2
    RASSILON: What news of the Doctor?
    CHANCELLOR: Disappeared, my Lord President.
    PARTISAN: (a woman) But we know his intention. He still possesses the Moment, and he’ll use it to destroy Daleks and Time Lords alike.

    So the moment is reinforced. As for if it is rose or just takes on the persona of her to me I say it is both because as you said in the episode the parting of ways
    ROSE: I am the Bad Wolf. I create myself. I take the words, I scatter them in time and space. A message to lead myself here.

    but there is still something that is nagging me why the Dalek Emperor sees rose he said
    EMPEROR [on viewscreen]: This is the Abomination!

    why not this is an abomination. where has he seen her before? Is there something in the history of the daleks that we still dont know?

    I guess the best way to explain it all is : SPOILERS.

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    • Silver Petticoat

      All good points of discussion! My only issue with your first point is that Nine said he watched it burn. It seems a strange comment to make on his part in “Dalek” if he had no memories of it. Which is why it would make more sense if this is a rewriting of time (a popular motif for Moffat), so that things are similar but not exact. Time has changed a little. Otherwise, continuity wise I don’t think it makes complete sense. Nine definitely seemed to remember. And obviously that was Davies’ original intent. Moffat just decided to change it. That’s fine, but personally I think continuity wise it makes the most sense for time to have been rewritten and not something that has always happened.

      As for point 2, yes, no doubt this is the Moment. But yeah, is it also something more? This discussion between time lords doesn’t disprove the Moment as Bad Wolf at all. They know what the Moment is, but none of them know “exactly” what it is since there is a legend surrounding it. So yeah, I agree it’s probably both in some way. And yes, spoilers…:)

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      • Cromlaoch

        I think you misunderstand, didn’t they say they would have no memory of SAVING IT? They would keep the memory of destroying everything, like nothing has changed. So, the 9th doctor therefor would think that he still burned them all, even though he did not. Because it says
        “WARRIOR: I won’t remember this, will I? DOCTOR: The time streams are out of sync. You can’t retain it, no.
        WARRIOR: So I won’t remember that I tried to save Gallifrey rather than burn it. I’ll have to live with that.”
        Tried to save Gallifrey *RATHER* than burn it.
        They will only remember burning it, even if it is saved.

        I might be wrong here as well, but didn’t The Master bring back Gallifrey and the Timelords from being stuck in some eternal timeless pit or something? Just like what happened at the end of this episode? That part I may be wrong on, I’m just thinking from when I saw the whole series last.

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        • Silver Petticoat

          No, I don’t think I am misunderstanding at all. I am very familiar with what the dialogue said (other parts point to my theory being true such as several lines about “this time”). Yes, this Doctor would forget but to me that could suggest that the timeline would barely change (though some issues do arise later on…in the Christmas special), not enough to alter the Doctor’s choices and timelines. Nevertheless, time had still been rewritten according to the rest of the episode or so I theorize.

          As for the Master, I will have to re-watch that part when I get there but I thought it was about coming out of the time lock. There is no doubt at least that Moffat intended to rewrite what Davies did. IF I am wrong and the show confirms that time had NOT been rewritten, I will in turn not be thrilled. It’s too much like “It was all a dream” and takes away from the brilliant characterization of the Doctor IMO. It would be kind of a wimpish move from my point of view, as if choosing to kill all the Time Lords was too horrible of the Doctor so it had to be fixed (though it still has bits of that in the episode that I didn’t love). The atrocities of what he CHOSE to do is what makes the Doctor stand out as a complex and ingenious character.

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  8. John

    Great article! One thing I wanted to point out, the incident with “scarf girl” and the Zygon, if I remember correctly, this happened after they had their memories wiped, the “shushing” was a result of them figuring out which one was human and which one was the Zygon. They decided to let everything play out.

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    • Silver Petticoat

      Thank you! Yes, true. Though I’m more interested in the actual imagery and purposeful repetition of the shushing. Perhaps it’s foreshadowing something to come. So double meaning for all three. But like I said, that’s just a theory.

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  9. Seventh Reign

    This isnt a theory its fact. It was obvious after watching the show 1 time let alone 3 or more. They didnt even hide it.

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    • Silver Petticoat

      There are plenty of people who would disagree with you and believe the moment is just the moment. Also, nowhere in the episode does the Moment say she is Bad Wolf. And Moffat has never confirmed it either; or even Billie Piper for that matter. So as much as I would like it to be, it is not fact. Rather it is interpretation. But I agree with you, I do think the moment is Bad Wolf.

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  10. smcelph

    In the end of time when rassillon is sitting around plotting with the other high council members they mention that the doctor has the moment. Has anyone else noticed that? I did when rewatching it.

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    • Silver Petticoat

      Yes! I believe I mentioned it briefly above. They talk about the myth of the Moment being sentient, so no one would even dare to use it except for one man (of course the Doctor!)

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      • J. Frazier

        What I find really interesting about this episode is that everything on Gallifrey is happening at the same time in this episode as during “The End of Time”. “The High Council is in emergency session, they have plans of their own.” This is Rassilon and the other Councilors sitting around their table making their plans concerning the Master and the Final Sanction.
        This make for some very interesting possibilities once Gallifrey has been returned. I assume that both events are potentially equally valid. The time lock that the Council mentions repeatedly could very likely be how they are viewing the pocket universe that they’ve been placed in. In which case, the events of “The End of Time” mean that they briefly manifested Gallifrey back into the main Universe only for the Doctor to send them back. Skip ahead first a few hundred years to 11 and he’s all for bringing them back. The 12th Doctor seems pretty keen on finding and restoring Gallifrey as well which begs the question, is it only due to the repression of the memories associated with what actually happened to Gallifrey that the 10th Doctor is so determined to condemn his entire species? Or is the optimism expressed by the 11th and 12th Doctors simply the result of having been around for so long without them that he’s willing to bring them back despite how terrible 10 said they had become during the Time War?

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        • J. Frazier

          Oh, and you’re still getting reposts on FB via the closed group The Last of the Timelords. That’s how I found your article so many months late. 🙂

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  11. Deborah Renée Cobb

    This is a fantastic theory and I have no qualms with the basis of it. My only rub is the misuse of the word “sentient.” I think the word you were looking for at times was “omniscient.” To be sentient is to be aware of yourself and conscious. To be omniscient is to see or know all things at once. One might even say that Bad Wolf was also omnipotent, or capable of doing anything.

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    • Silver Petticoat

      Thank you! And yes, you’re right. Thanks for the catch. Must have been a brain freeze while writing it out. It is edited and fixed!

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  12. Rick Steckler

    On a side note about scarf girl and the Zygon. The Zygon makes mention that they would rather would have taken her pretty sister’s form. This pisses off scarf girl stating she wished the Zygon had, as well. The Zygon is stepping on her scarf and scarf girl reefs it from under her, making the Zygon fall and drop the inhaler. Scarf girl quickly grabs her inhaler back and runs off. I believe she shares her inhaler with the Zygon later to show she know which of them is the real scarf girl so they don’t have to find out about trying to lose a shoe to see who is who.

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  13. Anon

    You’re just now figuring all of this out? The movie has been out for months.

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    • Silver Petticoat

      You do realize that this theory was written months ago, right? No need for a rude comment.

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  14. Rachael

    I had always just assumed that the Moment and Bad Wolf were the same being, but your analysis completely sold me. You’re super thorough and made points that I never would have thought of. Thanks for the great read.

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    • Silver Petticoat

      Thank you very much! I appreciate it. And you are very welcome. 🙂

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  15. Alle

    Another theory about her clothes: Bad Wolf is the conscious of the TARDIS. The look she gets in the 50th is very similar to the look she gets in the doctors wife. And ya know, wife. So the ring makes sense as well.

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    • Silver Petticoat

      It would be cool if Bad Wolf wore a ring because she considered herself married to the Doctor in some way.

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  16. Rala Azron

    I definitely automatically thought the moment was Bad Wolf but I didn’t think exactly what that meant. This was really interesting. I think a point you missed, or maybe I’m looking too into it, was when Rose, as the Bad Wolf in ‘Parting of the Ways’ said, “I create myself.” My mind was thinking she created ‘The moment’ then. She created that part of herself. Just a theory.

    Also I absolutely loved the Zygon plot line but I think that’s mostly because a wish came true. Near the end of ten he mentioned that he married Queen Elizabeth the first (that was a mistake) and when I saw that I was like man I want to know more about that story. I loved how they actually showed it and that the mistake was literally a mistake not a regret. Just my opinion 🙂

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    • Silver Petticoat

      Yes, good point about Bad Wolf. I thought a similar thing but just didn’t bring it up. Just as she brought Jack back to life and made him immortal, she could have created the Moment around the same time, creating a version of herself that would always exist.

      I can’t love the Zygon plot because like you I wanted to see this story but the actuality of it was rather disappointing. Queen Elizabeth, who was one of the most powerful women of all time, became a joke in this episode and a simpering fool for much of it (with horrible dialogue) who was desperate to marry the Doctor even after all of his insults to her. If she had married, she would have lost everything which didn’t even seem to be a concern. This is just not the story I would have imagined for one my favorite historical figures. Still, I kind of get why others liked it. Personally, I thought it was the weak point of the special and a disfavor to all the prior Elizabeth moments of the Series. JMO. 🙂

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      • Rala Azron

        That is a very good point. I honestly didn’t even relate it to real history but you are quite right. The only powerful thing she did was kill the zygon and she justified it by saying the zygon was in her weak state. Though the historical figure that is Elizabeth would explain why the Doctor didn’t think she’d accept his proposal and thus would figure out if she was the zygon. Thinking back it seems like the Doctor was just as surprised at the difference between history and that version of events as you were. I do think she should have been a little less…soft I suppose is the word I’ll use. Oh, I realized that it also explained why the Doctor became the enemy of Queen Elizabeth I…he married her then left. And maybe that’s why later she was shown as more powerful in episodes such as the Shakespeare episode. She went through heartache. I do believe she could’ve been represented better but I’m quite relieved that some loose ends are tied up.

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        • Silver Petticoat

          Yeah, I would have personally preferred a MUCH better representation of Elizabeth. I don’t know if I wanted her to be less soft or really just less ridiculous in general. I get though what you are saying about tying up loose ends but I’m not sure that that is what this is if time was rewritten. In fact, I’m working on part 2 of this theory. It won’t be as long but I’m adding in some extra points.

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          • Rala Azron

            I look forward to it 🙂

      • Winged Wolf

        Well, to be fair, marrying a Time Lord isn’t exactly a step downward on the social ladder, is it? You’re allying your line with one of the most powerful individuals in the Universe. And lose everything? Surely she knew him at least well enough to know that he was no threat to her rule. Married to him, she may have counted on his aid if she ever asked for it…

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  17. Greg

    I think that the moment/bad wolf/Rose (a hybrid I shall name MoBaRo for this comment) Implanted the memory of Galifrey burning into the mind of war doctor/9 as a way of stopping him becoming curious about suddenly not being able to remember what happened after stealing the MoBaRo. Because in all honesty if the doctor forgot something that had just happened he would search for the answer instead of just moving on. In which case I support the theory that nothing has been rewritten in that sense, even though as you pointed out Moffat does like a cheeky restart. Either way thank you for this article, which has now given me a lovely thing to say over and over again (seriously MoBaRo is addictive).

    Another thing I would like your opinion on is that of the “Impossible astronaut” if the war doctor always existed, then why in this episode does the imposter doctor appear to regenerate. Surely 11 would know that his time was up at that point and not go through the effort. Although it doesn’t matter to the overall outcome at all.

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    • Silver Petticoat

      You’re welcome…you should keep on saying MoBaRo. It sounds fabulous when you try to say it aloud. Anyway, I get what you are saying about implanting the memory but there isn’t any evidence to support it. I prefer rewriting time on a personal level because I LIKED Nine’s prior characterization so I hope that I’m right about this one.

      As for your “impossible astronaut” comment, I’m not sure I follow. Can you clarify a little for me? The War Doctor came before Eleven so I’m not sure what you are trying to say. Maybe I’m just reading what you said wrong.

      Also, just curious, but how did you find this article as it suddenly got a lot of hits today? Just wondering…

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      • Vanna

        A Doctor Who fan page posted a link on Facebook. Or at least thats how I got to this.

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        • Rala Azron

          Yup. Same. The page Doctor Who and the T.A.R.D.I.S

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          • Rala Azron

            np 🙂

      • jbo5112

        Issue with “Impossible Astronaut”:
        When 10 became 11, that was the Doctor’s last regeneration, by current count (until the Time Lords gave him more). When it looks like He is shot on the beach by River, you see a regeneration sequence start that is cut off by a second shot. We know later that she is actually shooting the Teselecta, who is impersonating the Doctor, but it doesn’t make sense for the Teselecta to impersonate a regeneration if he didn’t have any left.

        BTW, the Facebook fan page is “Doctor Who and the T.A.R.D.I.S.” They posted a link on March 5th. I always love reading theories and obscure connections in Doctor Who.

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        • Silver Petticoat

          There are continuity issues that will be very interesting to pay attention to on re-watch. It seems that ‘then’ the Doctor forgot he was out of regenerations.

          Now that I’m getting what the prior poster was talking about, I think it wasn’t a worry because 1) Moffat wasn’t planning on the extra Doctor at that point in time (he could have created him when Eccleston turned down the role for instance) and 2) It was about him dying permanently anyway…I guess. But yeah, the regeneration from the Teselecta makes very little sense.

          And thanks for the Facebook info.

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    • Rala Azron

      I think 11 just didn’t realize he was out of regenerations or forgot.

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  18. Stephen Nagy

    With the part that mentioned about the Ninth doctor admitting to destroying the Daleks and Time Lords. During the 50th anniversity when all three Doctors (War, Tenth, Eleven) the War Doctor asked Eleven if he will remember it, and Eleven stated that the time streams were to tangled up and he will forget that he tried to save Galifrey. Hense that is also the reason that Ten Was told about Trenzalore.

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    • Silver Petticoat

      Yeah, I followed that but it still seems like a slight rewrite to me as Nine didn’t act like he forgot (I’m re-watching right now).

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      • J. Frazier

        Nine didn’t need to act like he forgot. For one, he probably fully remembers the War Doctor. What he likely doesn’t have are exact details of what happened. He remembers planning on using The Moment to stop the Time War whatever the cost. The War Doctor said as much before The Moment opened the fissure in time. The War Doctor began the regeneration process right after he put the TARDIS into flight. So post regeneration Nine likely only remembers up to the point just before Ten and Eleven got involved, which is to say none of the changes.
        So Nine remembers he was going to use a super destructive weapon and now there’s no Time Lords or Daleks around. What conclusion is he supposed to draw? That’s the Doctor’s point of view until the last Doctor involved (11) catches up to the end of events.
        From the point that the 11th Doctor becomes part of events, he starts vaguely remembering bits and pieces (“This is where I come in. Geronimo!”) and by the end of it, his memory is the set version of what happened.

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  19. Asia

    maybe i missed it and you already mentioned this, but i thought i would point out that in the picture of 11 and ‘the curator’ looking at the painting, there are those round things in the background…they look quite a bit like the “round things” from the forth doctors TARDIS dont you think?

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    • Silver Petticoat

      No, I definitely missed that. Interesting. I’ll have to take a look.

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  20. Chessa G. H.

    How many times does Eleven, or River, or Ten say that time can be rewritten? Never ignore coincidences. Unless you’re busy. In which case, ignore the coincidence. I don’t think Moffat was busy. I think he was paying very close attention in this case. 🙂

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    • Silver Petticoat

      This might have been his plan for a while, the time being rewritten line thrown in as far back as series 5. I definitely think that he did not plan everything out though because there have been some inconsistencies that don’t quite make sense but the one I do think possible is bringing the Time Lords back.

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      • Chessa G. H.

        I don’t think Moffat had some sort of master 50th Anniversary plan right from the beginning. But he definitely sowed the seeds to allow for just about anything to happen, including a way for Gallifrey to not really be gone and bring back the Time Lords, which he did.

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  21. reggie

    I think its brilliant! Can we take it one step further. An old theory of mine is that bad wolf is actually the tardis with a splash of roses brain/personality. The tardis is permenantly to the time vortex by method of “looking into the heart of the tardis” and if memory serves a line about” I looked into the tardis and the tardis looked into me” also we know from episode “the doctors wife” that the tardis deeply cares for the doctor and his well being so perhaps she used the moment as badwolf to make this change in the doctors past but untill that moment (as the viewers see it) the new reality would set. Which would still aloow the 9th doctor to honestly know he killed them all and the tenth and the eleventh have supressed the memory therefore don’t inspect it as deeply until the new truth is revealed… sorry got away from me a bit

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    • Silver Petticoat

      It’s a nice theory but in “Bad Wolf,” I very much believe that Bad Wolf is Rose. The rest of the show seems to support that as well with bits of dialogue thrown in here and again. To me, the Tardis helped Rose save the Doctor because she looked into her heart and vice versa. Anyway, thanks for your thoughts. It is an interesting idea.

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  22. Divergent Who

    You should send this to BBC or something!!!!!!!!!!!! I’m sure they would find that very interesting. 🙂

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    • Silver Petticoat

      Thanks! I don’t think they would look at it though.

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  23. Cassie

    that wasn’t the zygon. that was the human shushing the zygon. remember the human tripped the zygon (by pulling her scarf out from under the zygon’s foot) and grabbed the inhaler and ran off.

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  24. MrEd7451

    “I think I’m called Rose Tyler. No. Yes. No, sorry, no, no, in this form,
    I’m called Bad Wolf. Are you afraid of the big bad wolf, Doctor?”

    It seemed quite clear to me the moment I heard this,

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  25. Selena

    Someone wrote a rather depressing fanfic where Rose Tyler loses Tentoo, gets stuck on Gallifrey trying to find the Doctor, and eventually becomes “the Moment”. THE Rose Tyler.

    I’m worried, yet curious and somewhat interested in relation to THIS theory, and you saying that the Moment might be a split-off of Rose’s soul, possibly containing the memories and feelings of future Rose, brings that to mind.

    I quote, from the TARDIS Data Core (Doctor Who Wiki): The Moment could also change appearance from a box full of gears, to a box looking station with a big blood red ruby button on a stalk, with a base similar to the shape of a rose petal.

    Note ROSE petal.

    Anyhow, your theory brought up some interesting, thought-provoking things. You are quite brilliant. :3

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  26. MJ Rojas

    This is brilliant! My favourite thing about Doctor Who fans is just seeing the vast amounts of theories and minds thinking and all of them seem plausible to me!!! Loved this post so much. Will keep reading your Doctor Who posts 🙂

    X

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  27. EllieRose

    I want to add, and I didn’t really read all comments to see if someone had mentioned this…

    But I always found it interesting that Rose ended up with TenToo. (Lucky girl eh?! AND he’s part Donna so he’s all sassy again…like my 9 <3<3 )

    Just watch Journey's End (both parts):

    Why did it take so long for the Doctor & Rose to be reunited? Why did they not get a chance to embrace before that darn Dalek showed up (damn that stupid Dalek, no wonder 12 has so much hatred for them…! They seriously ruin everything!).

    And then, that hand. So convenient that Jack had it. So convenient that the Doctor keeps it so close. That he was able to redirect his regeneration energy…

    And then, all the mystery surrounding Donna. How she met the Doctor not once, but twice. How he met Wilf on a separate occasion…How that parallel world was built around her in Turn Left. How, if you look into her history, how similar to Rose she was. Stuck living at home. Failed relationship (Rose had moved out with that one guy(name?). And then that guy that was using Donna and working with the Arachnoss). Unfulfilled life. Dead end jobs. Both lost their dads. It just seemed like there was too much coincidence around Donna right?

    In Turn Left, Rose told Donna that there was something about her, and they repeated in Journey's End, Part 2:

    Donna: In that parallel world…you said something about me.
    Rose: The dimension cannon can measure timelines and it's weird Donna but they all seem to converge on you.

    Then when they get captured. Donna hears a heartbeat.
    The Tardis' door closes of its own accord.
    She hears the heartbeat, touches the hand.
    And we get *naked* TenToo…and he says,

    TenToo: I'm unique. Never been one like me. Cause all the regeneration energy went into the hand. Look at my hand. I love that hand. But then you [Donna] touched it…
    But look at what you did. No. It's more than that. It's like, we were always heading for this. you came to the tardis. and you found me again. your grandad. your car…somethings been drawing us together for such a long time.
    Donna: But you're talking like…destiny…
    TenToo: …It's still not finished. It's like the pattern is not complete. the strands are still drawing together. But heading for what?
    *coughRosecough*

    And we all know that everyone assumes that time is a strict progression of cause to affect, but actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective point of view it is more like a big ball of… well it's more of a ball right? Things are happening. History is happening. Right now everything is happening and the ripple effect emanates continuously…

    SO. My point was this. Bad Wolf…saw everything.

    Bad Wolf: All that is, all that was, all that ever could be.

    SO I agree!!! Bad Wolf, not only became the Moment. She simultaneously formed the timelines that would always save the Doctor. Hence Clara. Hence Donna. And hence TenToo. So he could be with Rose. I mean, how did they even get to that parallel universe that sowed the seeds for Doomsday and the arrival of parallel-dad! Time can't change but it can be rewritten. So Bad Wolf tweaked Rose's and the Doctor's future. (Remember what that jerk with the horns said? Rose was supposed to die in battle…but instead she went to a parallel universe! How convenient that they had been there before inexplicably!)

    BeastDude: And the lost girl. so far away from home. the valiant child who will die in battle so very soon.

    Hence this exchange between Dalek Caan at the end:
    Doctor: Oh I think he did. Somethings been manipulating the timelines for ages. Getting Donna Noble to the right place at the right time.
    DC: This would always have happened. I only helped, Doctor.
    Davros: You betrayed the Daleks?
    DC: I saw the Daleks…What we have done throughout time and space. I saw the truth of us, creator. And I decreed, "no more."

    BAM. AND a reference to the Moment!? (no more! I can just picture her dancing!) Bad Wolf manipulated the timelines so the Time Lords could still live, the Doc's hands would be clean. Clara could be born to save the Doctor, and 11 could get one more regeneration in! (also, if you notice, Rose and TenToo are wearing the EXACT same colors blue & burgundy!! another coinkydink?!)

    I seriously wonder…what else she has in store for our Doctor 😉 Can't wait to see 12 and all the stories to come!

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  28. JohnC

    Not only do I think she was Bad Wolf in “The Day of the Doctor”, I also think she was Bad Wolf in “Turn Left”

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  29. JohnC

    It just feels like it makes more sense of Billie was Bad Wolf in Turn Left, because she seemed to know a lot more of what was going on than she did in the next episode… and she more or less acted as a catalyst to make the events play out the way they were supposed to

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  30. HUGHIE

    MY DRAM WAS THE BLUEBOX I LOVE TO BE THE TIME LORD AND GO BAKE IN YAER 1964 BUT BAD.WOLF STOP ME IAM BAD WOLF DAERMS ALL THE TIME

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  31. HUGHIE

    BAD WOLF KEEPING ME AWAKE ALL NIGTE DOCTORCAN DOCTOR HALP ME THIS TO DOCTOR CAN YOU COME IN THE BLUE BOX

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  32. HUGHIE

    CAN YOU SAND THE TARDIS POLICE PUBLIC CALL BOX CAN YOU SAND ONE I LOVE IT BIG IN

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  33. Starman

    Good discussion, here, but I think you may have overthought this a bit in regard to Nine and his speech in Dalek. One of the few hard rules of Doctor Who is that whenever The Doctor crosses his own timeline, his past incarnations never remember the encounter with their future selves past the point at which they crossed over.

    So what was The War Doctor doing right before he saw his future incarnations Preparing to end The Time War. At what point did he go back? Just as he was regenerating…

    So odds are he was Nine once the TARDIS landed and his last memory would have been of activating The Moment. By that point, Gallifrey would be gone and the rest of the universe would think The Daleks and Time Lords had blown each other up with The Doctor only remembering what he had done and what the Moment had told him before showing him his future incarnations… that his punishment for activating The Moment would be to survive alone.

    So the whole timeline of the Ninth and Tenth Doctor and their angst at being the last of the Time Lords is upheld, those stories still happen the way they did and we all enjoy a nice cup of tea before moving on with our lives. 🙂

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  34. eternal seeker

    I really like this theory! From the beginning I couldn’t believe The Moment isn’t more connected with Bad Wolf itself. Some of her behavior are even very… Rose I would say. Like when War Dr is saying that interface is hot and she jokes, she tries her best or ‘that is gonna happen’ after ‘I could kiss you Bad Wolf Girl… really this is very in Rose style to me… I also rewatched some episodes lately f.e. “Cold War” where Doctor has this barbie doll in his pocket (what was very strange in fact and maybe I am much too big shipper of Dr&Rose, but wasn’t it somehow connected with Rose?Because what would be any reasonable explanation of that? 😛 ) and when Prof. finds screwdriver and the doll, Dr is very happy and even kiss the barbie (?!) saying to him : ‘Proffessor I could kiss you!’. Maybe it’s just a coincidence, but.. 😛

    And surely Moment looks at 10 at least twice in Tower like she is Rose herself still loving him… it’s so fast but seriously why would Moment look at him like that?! And to me even later when 10 tells they shouldn’t be here and Moment says about clever boys, firstly she smiles looking at him with glowing eyes like Rose used to… And this bIutton, it really looks like rose… I didn’t even notice all of that when I’ve seen this ep before… Also you’ve written about her clothes and ring, what is really interesting to me, because I didn’t even pay attention to it before and in fact why these clothes? Also she said it’s form from the past or from the future, so maybe it is Rose from the future with Metacrisis indeed and THE RING hmmm… so mayny questions xD

    To me Bad Wolf was always in a big part also Rose and maybe I just love her story with Dcotor too much and love imagining that she is gone now, but created sth what still takes care of her beloved and is with him in his darkest moments. I highly doubt Rose will ever come back again, but it would be wonderful to me if she could not be forgotten by the Doctor and still be somewhere in his life. I know there are some references to her in 7th season, probably just because of Billies appearance in this special ep, but I still hope that maybe I will find at least a little sign he remembers her after that too xD Okay I am hopeless with this ship and sorry, because it was supposed to be short comment this time 😛 But thank you for next great theory! 🙂

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  35. belaozu

    Wow… wow, wow, wow… this article really blew my mind!!

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  36. John Callum Carruthers

    I agree completely. I always thought that Bad Wolf was The Moment, rather than The Moment claiming to take that form. Remember she could see all of time and make changes. I think, from her perspective, she saw two points in the future and past where the Doctor needed help… one when he activated the Moment and destroyed Gallifrey. She went and changed things. The moment was a weapon and she “replaced it” – became the moment, too. Also I am convinced that the “Rose” we see in “Turn Left” was The Bad Wolf, too. I think she snuck in and nudged things along because the Doctor would have died in the parallel world otherwise. I also think this creation of a paradox and parallel world were what was needed to weaken the walls and let the Rose from Pete’s world finally get back through. The episode works fine with it being Rose Rose but it never explains how the Bad Wolf signage was able to suddenly appear again!

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  37. Winged Wolf

    I believe this is absolutely the only explanation. Bad Wolf became the consciousness of The Moment. The first time around, The Moment didn’t have a consciousness. The Doctor didn’t have to convince the interface to activate The Moment, because it didn’t have a conscience. That wasn’t retroactively written into history until Rose Tyler became Bad Wolf. Rose Tyler is part of Bad Wolf — the whole of Rose Tyler, from birth to death. But not vice versa. That’s why the others always remembered simply destroying Gallifrey; because that’s what happened before Bad Wolf changed things. The Doctor’s not talking to part of Bad Wolf’s consciousness, left behind. He’s talking to her — directly to Bad Wolf. She’s there. She’s at all points in time that she wants to be, all in that span of a few minutes. She can spend as much time as she wants at each point, because she exists outside of time. She doesn’t want the older two to know she’s there, because it would just cause them emotional pain, and she knows the younger Doctor will forget her.

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